Carlos Campo Intro

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today on the servant leadership podcast we're honored to welcome Carlos Campo Carlos's story is deeply rooted in his

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parents inspiring Legacy his father a Cuban immigrant and the first Hispanic band leader on national television and

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his mother a pioneering performer and sister to Rosemary Clooney these influences shaped Carlos into a humble

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passionate servant leader who values authenticity and listening as cornerstones of leadership Carlos has worn many hats in

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his career from Professor to University president at Regent University and Ashlin University and now is a leader at

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one of the most influential institutions in the world at the Museum of the Bible Carlos is working to inspire Millions

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curating an experience that goes far beyond exhibits to engage hearts and Minds with the power of scripture his

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leadership is marked by humility an unwavering faith and a commitment to serving others in this episode Carlos

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opens up about the lessons learned from his unique upbringing his philosophy on Transitions and walking through open

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doors Carlos thank you for being here absolutely Chris great to meet you and glad to be on this is so exciting so

Welcome Carlos Campo

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we're here at the Museum of the Bible uh and for you this is pretty recent you've had a crazy Journey getting to this

Carlos' "Crazy" Journey

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point share with our listeners some of your background and how you ended up here sure well I loved your phrase crazy

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Journey that's been talking to my wife and my closest friends probably because it it has been that especially I always

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start this conversation talking about my own parents because their Journey was extraordinary my father an immigrant to

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the US from Cuba my mother phenomenal background but a young woman who found

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herself in a really tough spot joined up with her sister who was Rosemary Clooney at the time and she and my aunt Rosemary

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auditioned for a show that would lead sometime to her getting on the jack par television program as yeah an early TV

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Pioneer she was was a girl singer and who did she meet on that show this Cuban immigrant who had made a name for

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himself in the US and was now the orchestra leader so my dad's the orchester leader on the jack part television program my mother the girl

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singer in the 1950s so those two clashes of cultures and people came together and

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the four of us that my myself and my three sisters started this journey together so I go back to them even

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though of course it started before them and I say that because you know Chris one of the things the great blessing you know you know you never know your

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context but here's my context you know Cuban band leader and an girl Irish singer but you know all my friends were

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listening to The Rolling Stones and the Beatles And I was into Nat King Cole and Tony Bennett and Johnny matys and of

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course Rosemary Clooney I'll shout out my own aunt but I say that because that's just part of that contextual

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millu and even the people who came in my house from different backgrounds and Lifestyles and all of that it gave me

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exposure I guess in a way that I didn't understand at the time to be an incredible gift to me because here we

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are at a Museum that's trying to house the unhoused right and I think about my own background and I think about how do

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I tell the story when it's so much bigger than me but I start with my parents because they both paved a way

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where they didn't have a way you know they neither of them I passed the seventh grade in in school my mother

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tough life went out on the road with with her sister my dad just love the music of Cuba and so he continued

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literally to jump over the wall it was a walled private school because the the music was calling to him in the streets

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and one of the things I love about their story is they both followed their calling it's been different for me for

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me I thought I would F in their Footsteps in some ways I was headed to Carnegie melon I had auditioned for

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their theater school I was kind of on that track and had to rush back home because my sister was getting married I

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mean literally right after my audition I'm out of high school going to college my sister's getting married I go with some friends cross country in New York

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City arrive three days before my sister's wedding and on that day this traumatic experience occurred and that

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is people said you know what your mom there's 50 people in my home waiting for for the wedding you know anticipating

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the wedding and someone said your mother's falling down in the backyard and she's calling for you and it's not good and Chris I'm 17 years old I'm a

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kid and I look at my mother I've never seen someone in the throws of death but she was there she spoke her last words

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on this side of Heaven to me and that was take care of the baby for me that was my 14-year-old sister by the next

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morning she was gone greatest Soul winner I've ever known I know you know Sons always idealize their moms at least

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many of them do I know I have two but that's a huge part of my journey right so when that happens and she says those

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words to me I'm not going to carnegy melon and so someone say your dreams were shattered you know your future in

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the theater Arts but that's not that's not been my journey but it was a tough couple or three years Chris those those

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years solidified something in me and even if it related to something that

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people call clinical depression I don't know that I was ever Noose I wasn't at that time but I probably was I just

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never you know even God and I 50 years later were still wrestling with that it's like okay Lord I know your plan is

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bigger than mine but it really feels like the Earth lost someone powerful that day and I mention that because it's

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it's all part of the plan that God had for me and and what I learned especially about the the depression and God pulling

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me out of it the Lord and I came to aact and I know this doesn't happen for many people but for me it happened where the

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Lord and I said you know what he said Carlos if I'm going to use you you can't return to that place and we've been

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through a lot as a family and individually we've been through really hard times but I've never gone back to

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that place where I really felt like I didn't didn't want to live I never tried to take my life but I I say that Chris

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because I know there are people listening who have been on the Spectrum whatever we want to call it and want to tell them that there's hope it may not

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be as marked as my mine was you know God and I kind of sealed the deal together

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and I've never returned to that dark place I may someday you know I don't know that God has kept me afloat and I

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think it's an important part of my journey in terms of academics you know I loved learning my parents definitely

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taught me that even though they weren't learned you know at least from book smarts oh my goodness my mom who was you

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know born in Kentucky learned Spanish and and spoken more fluently than I do today and so you know she read the

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Russian novelists and read Robinson cruso at my bedside uh my dad would talk

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about classical music and knew it well and was classically trained so it's one of those things where they exposed me to

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so much that you're not surprised to know I became an academic became became a professor somewhere along the road

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loved to teach and thought I will never cross over to the dark side but God had other plans and I became uh you know an

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administrator and served uh in a number of roles and was extraordinarily blessed

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to have an opportunity at Regent University my first exposure to a Christian or faith-based school I'd been

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in what people would call education loved Regent served both as Chief academic officer and president

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there and then I was offered in a position at Ashland University and Seminary where I was President up until

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about six months ago and had a phenomenal experience there we're able to grow our Correctional education there

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the largest in the nation and now for the last six months here I am at the Museum of the Bible as CEO but I had

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served on the board here for about nine years three terms I termed out and and

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now I'm here here and Chris just loving it it's a great place wow that is a crazy Journey that is a crazy Journey

Education Involvement

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right in such a rich family history um I'm so sorry to hear about your mother

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thank you uh but I mean she would be so proud of all the things you've accomplished it's just amazing thanks

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Chris it as you think through that journey of such a rich family culture

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and then getting thrown into the the deep end if you will of Education right um that probably wasn't an easy Journey

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it wasn't an easy Journey but you know I think when I think about education it's truly the word the root of the word is

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to draw out that which is within and that's one of the things I saw my parents were really genuine people I

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don't know how how else to say it when you're really comfortable in your own skin it's obvious in like three minutes

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you know because you relate to people differently and my parents although they were extraordinarily successful I mean

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when you think about the heights they reach few people get there but they never saw themselves as any different

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from anyone else my mother and father were incredible listeners and so to me when you're a great listener it says I

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value you and so I think that's the thing that they embedded in me as an educator is be genuine value other

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people always know that learning never ends and those simple lessons are things I've been able to take with me well

How Carlos' Parents Instilled Servant Leadership?

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those are amazing lessons and and you know on this podcast we talk a lot about servant leadership yes and and this

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concept of servant leadership how do you think your parents instill this servant leadership mentality in you because it

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seems just part of who you are well it's funny because even just knowing they were humble people you know that to

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serve you got to be humble I don't know how else to say it and so they were both humble people very relatable people I

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remember I could could almost say I could remember the day I first heard that phrase and when I heard the phrase

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and understood more what it was about I said gosh I've known this I wouldn't have known it under that moniker but

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I've known this before and I knew it from them you know to know my father for instance you know people would give him

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these accolades he was the first Hispanic American to be on a regularized

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television variety program in American history that's who he was but if you gave him those accolades and said you

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know you should be in the Hispanic Hall of Fame no no my son always had that accent till the day he died my son I'm

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nobody my son God has been so good to me in my life but I I'm nobody I I grew up

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as an unknown and that's the way I I I would like it you know so I learned that about both my parents and and I think

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when I first heard that phrase I said gosh I was blessed to have known that through them wow that that sense of

Accolades Influence on Carlos' Life

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humility is just unbelievable do as people are listening uh sometimes

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especially people in your family's situation where your parents both have extreme accolades and then similar

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you've had a great journey where you've got some amazing accolades uh I think people listening sometimes feel like the

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accolades are what make them who they are right um how do you see that play out because it sounds like that just

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hasn't been the case it hasn't well I'll share with you a brief story I have to warn your guest I warn you Chris I'm a

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Storyteller you know because I think illustrate things but I remember when I got my PhD I did not have a full-time

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teaching position so I was teaching part-time trying to break in get a professorship somewhere and it's tough

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and I happen to be in Las Vegas at the time and I had three kids and I went out and started parking cars for a living

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and I remember parking cars and really Gra in at that moment because exactly as you said you know how do you not tie

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what you do to who you are and I'm parking cars and I'm thinking I am literally the most overqualified valet

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in the entire world right and later God gave me some perspective to say you know

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what God forgive you it was a great job you should be glad you had your limbs and were able to work and run for those

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cars and beyond that I remember thinking especially now as I look back Chris I learned more about leadership honestly

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working those kinds of job I remember a student of mine right so I'm her professor teaching a class she comes to

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the valet Parks her car kind of tosses her keys to me and looks again does a Double T and says oh my gosh Dr compo

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you can park my car I can't what happened are you okay you know that sort of thing and I thought wow this is a

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humbling experience but it's not really the way I took it I wasn't ashamed I wasn't but later I thought gosh she has

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a point you what am I doing parking cars this is but the Lord impressed upon me that the first time I became a

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university president and I had my own parking space I pulled up in that space and part ofly started saying hey I've

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arrived this is pretty cool and the Lord not audibly but spoke to my heart and said you know what that's as much of a

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lie as it was that you're nothing more than a valet Parker your identity is in me and if youd understand it to be such

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then you're missing out and I learn more parking cars and working as a waiter than I did in Harvard leadership which

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was a great leadership program but I frankly did wow that's a great lesson and something that I think anyone can

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relate to and hopefully feel as you're thinking through at some point you become the president at Regent right uh

Becoming President of Regent University

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that would have felt amazing oh it was tell us about the journey that got you to there and then why you ended up

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changing later well it's interesting because I was a finalist for presidency at Santa Barbara City College one of the

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most beautiful campuses in the country I thought oh Lord please let this come through and I had applied at Region for

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this Chief academic office position and hadn't heard back so when I got to Regent and met Pat Robertson obviously

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very controversial figure in history but Pat had a heart for souls and and for

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education so he's an evangelist with a deep deep educational background who really wanted us to draw the students

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who had their deepest commitment to intellectual capacity and also to changing the culture so that's why it

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was started as a grad school only so that opportunity came out of out of nowhere and so I'm I'm a final for this

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other the position I get a call from Dr Robertson I meet him and within a day he offered me the position within one day

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and I'd never experienced anything like that before and my years at Regent were just extraordinary and fully unanticipated

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and undeserved in so many ways but what I loved about Regent this whole idea Chris you know I I've been in the

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college environment honestly my entire adult life and this is what I found so many students are there because they

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feel they're f filling someone else's expectation my parents want me to be here or you know I just think it's the

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thing to do you know the most popular major for undergraduates in America

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today is undecided and even when students say that they have a major it

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usually is just something they feel they have to say and my when I got to Regent I didn't feel that yeah not every kid

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had it together of course people were struggling and they didn't know Direction but they did have a sense of purpose they did have a sense that there

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was such a thing as purpose right this idea that I'm not just the product of time and chance so that opportunity was

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extraordinary beautiful campus setting and great young men and women who really are committed to a sense of purpose wow

How To Transition To A New Job

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it seems like it was just the dream job it was it is when when people are in a position where where they might be they

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might be stuck in a situation where they feel like they can't get out but sometimes they're in a situation that feels like if I give this up and pursue

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something else and that other thing doesn't work out I might have lost something great uh how do you deal with knowing

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transition and when is the right time to transition what a great question you know I I know it may sound a little bit

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tried and overp spiritualized to say you really need to hear from the Lord on these things but you know one of the things I heard long ago Chris that I

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really do believe this idea that God is with you whether you turn to the left or turn to the right now let me be clear

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there is a turning that can take us away from the Lord and out of his will so I get all of that but you know I used to

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think that God's will was this tiny dot on the M and I used to think gosh if I'm standing outside of that dot I missed it

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right but does God care that I buy a Ford or GMC probably not so much and on

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these jobs here's what I know God was with me whether I went you know and and

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took a chance so this is and you you hinted at that I thought that was an excellent thought the Lord is with you

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if you are feeling an urging this is what I know about the god I've served for 50 some years and that is he doesn't

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open doors to tempt you that's not God he he doesn't now there may be an open door before you that is tempting not

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saying that's not possible but not God so if you feel like God has opened a door my my thought is you walk through

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it my philosophy and my wife and I because we are one after 44 years you know what Lord you open doors we will

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walk through them and so that's really been to me in terms of transition when do you know and there are other factors

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I will say that when we first started talking to the museum here about this position my first answer with no prayer

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God forgive me was no you know I'm a higher ed guy I'm not a museum guy and thank you I love the museum but this

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isn't really where I see myself of course I didn't ask the question Lord where do you see me but I just gotten a

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contract extension at ashler and it felt like it was just a place we were settled but God had opened a door here and I

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missed an opportunity to respond immediately and I'm grateful that the leadership here gave me another chance

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to come back and have a conversation wow that that's an interesting concept because you you did have another good

Becoming the CEO of Museum Of The Bible

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thing going at Ashlin exactly it and there there was this open door and it's you've had a lot of tough decisions to

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make I bet you would have never seen yourself at the Museum a decade ago no

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it's true I I would not have you know it's this whole idea of God what what was I made for and the answer to the

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question of course is to serve me that that's what you've been made for to serve me I know that Lord but you know

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what I mean occupationally and yes there are skill sets you know there are there are skill sets let me ask you this Chris

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When I Was An undergraduate in theater would I ever have thought that it would help me in an interview like this

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someday right or as a university Professor or a college President how many times did I have to step onto a

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floor or into an audience and I feel comfortable in that setting well why did

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that happen was it because I stepped out of God's will when I was a theater major or into God's will later I feel like I

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was in the Lord's will all along those paths if I stepped out it was for decisions I made but not for occupations

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to me the primary occupation really is to know God and know him more deeply and as he opens doors walk through them so

Museum Of The Bible Vision

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what excited you most about this opportunity now at the Museum of the Bible the most exciting thing about the

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museum is its big Vision I mean museums by their very nature are places of

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inspiration right where the muses hang out right these ancient women so what's inspiring about any great

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museum this place purports to house a book that is alive so when you just

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think about it Chris and I know from as a Christian man it changes everything and it does but think about it maybe

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we've got it wrong and I say that in humility I don't think we do but certainty to me isn't a great El element

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that you want to bring into a museum you want to be a you want to have a museum that's a place of exploration and this

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book can stand up to the deepest exploration we believe it's the heart of all truth okay we may have it wrong so

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come and experence for yourself so when I saw that opportunity to be in a place

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I mean this is you know $800 million edifice seven floors 350,000 square feet

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of inspiration to come and see this book that transforms individual lives and

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then relationships and families and communities and Nations and worlds it's

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truly the power of this book that's what we believe I'm telling you what you can tell just to my excitement in answering

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a question I thought how did I ever hesitate at the opport it's just an extraordinary Place well when when

Museum Of The Bible "Experience"

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people think of a museum yes they often think of what you said where it's uh exhibit after exhibit after exhibit that

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are great um but but this is it feels like having walked through through all

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of this uh it's more than a museum it's an experience and no question to me you

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you wouldn't be shocked CU you've seen it Chris the expectation that people have hey what's that going to be like when I get to the Museum of the Bible

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and when they walk out the doors and they've experienced this place for 4 hours which is the average visit it's

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the it's a Chasm it's the vast Gap this I I thought this would be a bunch of Dusty books and Scrolls and maybe you

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know some ancient artifacts and we'd walk out and then they say oh my goodness I I actually saw the burning

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bush and I was moving through the Red Sea and I was immersed in this other landscape that was almost like a van go

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experience where creation was flowing all around me and then yes I did see an

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original first edition of the James Bible but I also walked into a prison cell and and and read about restorative

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justice and what the Bible is doing to be reflected in the lives of men and women who have life sentences I mean

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there is so much here Chris and you've probably only scribes to the surface in your many visits here and that's one of

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the things I tell people is if you think you know what this museum is all about you have to experience it I know I'm PID

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to say that but you have to experience it to really get a sense of what this this place is about the there's so many

Bible Characters and Servant Leaders

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people who are represented throughout history uh in this Museum when you think of servant leadership what are some

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things you've learned about servant leadership since being here based on people that the museum talks about or

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that have been involved with the museum well you know what I will go all the way back to to the fact that in many ways

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the Bible is the first ancient document especially religious document that frames even the thought of it right so

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you know to me the hero of course of the Bible is Jesus Christ you know when we read

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the King James version I think I read it's about 750,000 words Jesus appears on word 588,000 something like that but

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he's spoken of much earlier right but when you think about the servant leaders that preceded him you know I'm thinking

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about the passage in Acts you know David served his generation and then fell asleep right so he David was a servant

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Moses was a servant but no one def find it like Jesus did now when you come to the museum you're going into you'll

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you'll go through just one area that talks about American history right and it talks about the founding of our

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nation I will tell your listeners that you must come back in 2026 because

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that's the 250th anniversary of our founding you're going to see I hope one of the most extraordinary exhibits that

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makes this tie between this book The Bible and the founding of our country but even if you just walk that slice of

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the Flora you're going to walk and look at the very first people who landed here in this nation of course

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there were indigenous people here before that but the first people who came with the Bible and you walk all the way through an end with this you know huge

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image of Martin Luther King Jr who again displayed that powerfully in his own life and so many along the way who

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understood it's not about me that that simple line that opens Rick Warren's

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phenomenal book right it's not about you is is that through line of action that you would read in American history if

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you came here to see it at the Museum but that's just American history then you look at these other pioneers and

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and others including one Chris that I don't think you've even seen yet that that is this Mosaic floor that just

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steps out some from where we're being interviewed that was constructed in 230 ad constructed by a convert to

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Christianity 230 ad I'm going to keep repeating that a centurion outside of

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Christianity gets converted and makes this space and and he actually takes this tesor tile mosaic floor and

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dedicates it to Jesus Christ and in that floor there are three Greek inscriptions including one that says this is

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dedicated to God Jesus Christ the earliest reference to Jesus Jesus's deity that resides in any form and it's

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literally right outside these doors it was in Israel 15 weeks ago so yes I came full circle didn't I in that little

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narrative starting you know with Moses David Jesus and then of course American

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history then circling back through all the history of martyrdom because what you would find in that floor also is a

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reference to not only only Jesus's death but also four women are named and all it says is remember and then it names these

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four women experts aren't sure but they think it's probable that they were early Christian converts all understanding

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what servant and Leadership was all about wow yeah as you think through you're somewhat new in this role but it

Building Great Leaders

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probably feels like you've been here for forever because you've been on the board and you've been thrown in the Deep End right um how are you thinking through

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building a future culture of great leaders and great servant leaders and something that lasts well beyond you

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well it starts one at a time doesn't it and I think it's one of the things Chris we have this goal to bring a million

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people through our doors every 12 months that's we that's the highest peak we've ever been at before covid and that's where we want to get back to but if at

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the end of my tenure here at the Museum we reach that Pinnacle that's that's good but not nearly as good as what

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you're hinting at and that's true transformative change we know that happens one person at a time and it

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happens when you're careful about the way you curate The Experience here so that's one of the things we're really

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focused on before you walk in the door so Lally before you walk in our door here someone will greet you and welcome

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you to me that's how you start to transform leaders that's how you start this process I should say because great

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leaders get that right if if you can't look someone in the eye and tell them

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you're cared for you are loved you are made in the image of God right so every

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time you think that about any single person that starts the journey toward great leadership I know that the Bible

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has become a controversi document in the modern world what I believe is when it

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is applied appropriately it has the ability to transform a life into

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something better and to create in any human being this model of servant

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leadership because when you read simple but powerful verses that said you should

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favors all above yourself right this idea that Jesus himself said in all the

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gospels but Luke he came to serve and why did he say that what was the context right he said that because here they are

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fighting even getting their parents involved who's going to sit at your right hand and your left let me make it clear I came to serve how is it possible

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that this king is crowned in a way that he washes feet I mean sorry I'm getting

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emotional that's the that's the god that we serve and that's Peter's response

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right when Peter knew who he was his first response was Lord you need to step back because I I don't deserve to be

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around you but that's the most powerful thing about his ministry he came to serve right and not to be served and

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truly to bring eternal life to us all so that's what our hope is here and we have

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a very separate mission in a way don't we Chris because you know we don't proze in this Museum overtly because we don't

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have to the book says what it needs to say to everyone who's open to it we invite people to come

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and we know if we invite people to come and we expose them to the power of this book that God and His holy spirit will

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do the rest wow as you think through how you've been prepared for such a time as

Carlos' Preparation for This Position

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this right you bring up uh Jesus washing Peter's feet and the last supper and all

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that in John 13:7 Jesus says to Peter uh you may not understand what I'm doing

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but later you will and that's as he's washing Peter's feet right and it's this beautiful uh portrayal Peter has no idea

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what what God has in store for him still even after walking with him so many is you're in a similar position where it's

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like you may not understand what I'm doing but later you will that maybe Jesus has spoken to you like that almost

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how do you think he prepped you so well for such a time as this when you look back yeah what a great question I you

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know I think about this poem from tennis and I told you I was an English guy and

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you know this is uh it's it's title is ulses and the the line says I am a part two words

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a part I am a part of all that I have met an experience is an arch where through gleams this untraveled world

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whose margin Fades forever and forever when I move and when I think about that

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line that first part I am a part of all that I have met did I ever think that because my parents were who they were

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they would have such an impact on me did I ever realize that having a background in Theater Arts or storytelling or this

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this Rich tradition that came to me in the liberal arts so that I see the world

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through two two lenses I mean the Bible of course is my primary lens but I've been around great literature my whole

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life and so to me it's this idea that all truth is God's truth and so how the truth and power of the Arts speaks to me

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is always through the lens of the word of God as well and so I think to myself

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I could never have expected the Lord to use all those parts of who I am to bring

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me to this place but I think about my family and the impact that they have had I have three phenomenal sisters who you

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know keep me humble and hold me accountable and our prayer partners and you know are god-loving women who are

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examples to me and how their husbands and children my own kids and grandkids you know these are the people who are

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closest to me who help shape my life and of course you know this idea that I can

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do all things through Christ who strengthens me I know the verse well and yet it's a thing I struggle with you

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know Chris you talked about here here we are human beings always falling short

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and so what I say to people is we have really high expectations here at the Museum but also High Grace because

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that's the way we want it's the way the Lord receives us so I walk in here every

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day knowing that God has prepared me to get the work done effectively if I can rely on him and get out of the

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way what was it like for 9 years serving on the board thinking through all of

Serving On The Board

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what you just shared and getting out of the way but also seeing God so at work what was it like being on the board uh

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before becoming CEO of the museum you know that experience was so wonderful because it started with an idea I mean

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my first day on the board this the room we're sitting in of course didn't exist so I was on the board before

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construction of this entire building you know I was here when the hard hats came I was here for the grand opening and so

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I think that was the amazing thing you know when you see the germination of an idea and then see it played out in the

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fullness of what this museum is today oh my gosh Chris it it truly it it's

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something that is so rare in a life you know how what is it take to build an $800 million Museum anywhere in the

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world but we're two blocks from you know Capitol Hill in Washington DC our nation's capital and we've built

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something that is god-honoring and to see the green family's dream come to

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life and now be a part of it I know that God has numbered my days but however

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long they are this is something I won't ever forget wow being in DC this is such a historic uh location for our nation

Washington D.C. Location

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obviously uh and you bringing so much world history to this area what what

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does that mean to you and it just seems like the perfect fit it really does I love the fact that people say you know

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what Carlos I don't know if I'll ever get to that museum but I I'm a member and I'm a part of it because I know that

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to have that place in that city is important to me as a Bible believing

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American that that those things really touch me and as you pointed out Chris we're a world Capital here so we've had

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people from all over the world I mean we've had honestly kings and queens come and say we just had the bible translated

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into our heart language and we're putting it in the Museum of the Bible some of the most moving times I've ever had missionaries who for 20 years

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labored in a tiny village in Vietnam and now they are here because they have a translation and they're putting it here

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in the Museum of the Bible so that's one of the things that I think this stands powerful Testament to the word of God to

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the world and we say that if you're in Africa if you're in Korea if you're in

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Australia wherever you are in the world this is your Museum this is a place that is holding up the word of God for the

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entire planet but if you're an American this is especially important you know there's debate of course about our

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founding fathers and they're tied to the museum but to me it's impossible to deny that those men those founding fathers

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had as much part of their fabric the word of God is any other single document

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that has shaped what has made our nation extraordinary so it really is to be here in DC in the shadow of the capital just

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blocks from the mall is really an extraordinary thing to wake up come to work every day and know you're here in a

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place it really is special well Carlos I want to hit you with 10 rapid fight questions I'm ready

10 Rapid-Fire Questions

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there's no right or wrong just say the first thing that comes to your mind who's the first person you think of when

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I say servant leadership Jesus all right five surprising facts about

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you I climbed at the top of Mount Fuji uh George Clooney is my first

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cousin I hate okra is that surprising doesn't everyone hate

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okra wow maybe not um I preached in the

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largest church in Soo South Africa and I am a fairly strong chess

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player wow that's amazing uh favorite author or book my the Bible of course is always my

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default answer not to be a default because it's an extraordinary book but I I'm a dramatist so Shakespeare is my

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favorite author in Hamlet my favorite play WoW favorite movie you know I I I

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love Citizen Kane um it can't be my favorite only because I am a movie buff and they're probably 15 on the list but

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if I had to name one Citizen Kane's definitely one of them all right favorite food wow I only had something I'm G to have

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Oysters wow love that all right favorite thing to do in your free time I love

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anything active paddle ball pickle ball is my latest Fascination okay that's fun

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uh five words the most describe you

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outgoing [Music] funloving uh family loving

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storytelling God loving man love it uh favorite place you've been wow I was

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able to go to Paris with my wife on our 20th anniversary there was something about the magic of being there with her

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and we were we're both Fran of files to this day uh so that's definitely one

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that stands out and I would say right there with it I was able to go to

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Jerusalem for the first time and was at dawn at the Wailing Wall almost alone I mean there was there were a few more

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people awake that's one of those experiences I will never forget being there wow where somewhere that you want

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to go that you have not been there are a few places on list including Australia so I've not been to Australia or New

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Zealand yet and so that's definitely on our bucket list we'd love to get there sometime all right and finally what's

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the best advice you've ever gotten the best advice I've ever gotten

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oh my you know there's so much to fill in I'm just gonna parking back to my dad and say my

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son don't take yourself too seriously always have fun in your life love other

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people and love the Lord W so I'll leave it with that that's amazing Carlos thank

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